I signed up for the IFR chart program from AirCharts, but didn't have
an IFR rating. Now as I'm starting training, I'm trying to do the
updates.

These are amazingly messy/difficult to deal with. HOw many others on
here have the IFR system and are able to do the updates?

I keep seing these "new <pointname> at 19D" which, I'm assuming, means
19DME, new point. How do you mark these on the chart? That area
already has other "clutter" on it in the form of info balloons and
such.

Thanks
Mark

>HOw many others on
> here have the IFR system and are able to do the updates?

I keep my Jepp book up to date religiously. I reserve 4 hours
every Sunday from 7am until approximatey 11am which happens to be
the time I take my prozac, lithium and methamphetamines (prescription
of course) to keep my Jepp book up to date. I find this method very
easy to do.

<big grin>

Gerald

They list all changes by V#. I may just not update until I have
something flying along that airway. otherwise my maps will get way too
cluttered..

Or, you can subscribe to JeppView and let your computer do all the
updates.

"G. Sylvester" wrote:

> >HOw many others on
> > here have the IFR system and are able to do the updates?
>
> I keep my Jepp book up to date religiously. I reserve 4 hours
> every Sunday from 7am until approximatey 11am which happens to be
> the time I take my prozac, lithium and methamphetamines (prescription
> of course) to keep my Jepp book up to date. I find this method very
> easy to do.
>
> <big grin>
>
> Gerald

if I had the $700+ per year and a computer in my plane, I'd consider it.

Where it's important, you might want to consider just downloading a new plate.
Airchart Systems has them, but you're probably better off going right to the
source. http://naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

I, too, just signed with AirChart systems but will be using their system as
backup to plates that I print from SmartPlates. http://www.seattleavionics.com/

i.e., what I think I will need, I will print with SmartPlates and have on my
kneeboard. I will then have the Airchart books and updates for unexpected
situations.

The advantage of SmartPlates is that you can print predefined batches of
always-current plates all at once, two-up on a sheet. Fold each sheet in half,
Jepp punch it or NACO punch it, and you're ready to go. Very slick system.

It will be interesting to see how this scheme works out.



On 2/13/05 10:25 PM, wrote the following:
> I signed up for the IFR chart program from AirCharts, but didn't have
> an IFR rating. Now as I'm starting training, I'm trying to do the
> updates.
>
> These are amazingly messy/difficult to deal with. HOw many others on
> here have the IFR system and are able to do the updates?
>
> I keep seing these "new <pointname> at 19D" which, I'm assuming, means
> 19DME, new point. How do you mark these on the chart? That area
> already has other "clutter" on it in the form of info balloons and
> such.
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>

I'm actually not using them for the plate service. I just buy NOS
books. I'm using them for the low-altitude enroutes and sectional
service.

Mark wrote:

> if I had the $700+ per year and a computer in my plane, I'd consider it.

I pay just over $300 per year for all the Western U.S. $700 per year sounds
like the entire U.S. Do you have a jet?

OK. I'm doing just the reverse. NOS chart subscriptions and Air
Chart/SmartPlates for the plates.

On 2/14/05 3:22 PM, Mark wrote the following:
> I'm actually not using them for the plate service. I just buy NOS
> books. I'm using them for the low-altitude enroutes and sectional
> service.
>

>These are amazingly messy/difficult to deal with.

NO, they are amazingly simple!

YOU DON'T HAVE TO update them all! You "update" only the one or two
you're going to need on tomorrow's flight. Ignore the rest.

The odds are, you won't even have to update them, because there won't
have been any changes.

Every "update" you receive includes all the previous updates since
last May, so you won't miss anything by not updating the ones you
don't need.

I buy government enroute charts and approach plates every May, and
subscribe to Air Chart updates. On the majority of flights I make
during the following year, I do not need to make any changes at all.

Compared the time wasted changing Jepp pages yoyu'll never need to
use, this is the simplest imagineable system. Not to mention
money-saving.

vince norris

vincent p. norris wrote:

> NO, they are amazingly simple!
>
> YOU DON'T HAVE TO update them all! You "update" only the one or two
> you're going to need on tomorrow's flight. Ignore the rest.
>
> The odds are, you won't even have to update them, because there won't
> have been any changes.

so you just plot your course, then check the V#s and see if any updates
have been issued on the charts you're using?

I was fighting these updates.. that is much easier.. ugh.. :)

>so you just plot your course, then check the V#s and see if any updates
>have been issued on the charts you're using?

I look at the updates for any airport there's a reasonable chance I'll
use. That means my intended destination, the alternates, unless the
wx is good VFR in the destination area, and if it's a long flight,
those along the route.

Nowadays, I can print a plate if making the changes looks too
troublesome.

Of course, I carry the update with me on the flight, just in case....

I've been using AirCharts since about 175, and have never encountered
a problem.
>
>I was fighting these updates.. that is much easier.. ugh.. :)

Yes, much easier! You will never have to make 99% of those published
changes, unless you fly to different airports every day of the year.

vince norris

On 2005-02-15, vincent p norris > wrote:
>
> I've been using AirCharts since about 175, and have never encountered
> a problem.

Ah yes, 175, Marcus Aurelius was Emperor, and you had to use AirCharts
because the government maps were stone tablets that took up all of your
useful load...

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

>> I've been using AirCharts since about 175, and have never encountered
>> a problem.
>
>Ah yes, 175, Marcus Aurelius was Emperor, and you had to use AirCharts
>because the government maps were stone tablets that took up all of your
>useful load...

ROTFLOL!! I'm ancient, but not THAT ancient! Should have said 1975.

vince norris

"vincent p. norris" > wrote in message
...
> >> I've been using AirCharts since about 175, and have never encountered
> >> a problem.
> >
> >Ah yes, 175, Marcus Aurelius was Emperor, and you had to use AirCharts
> >because the government maps were stone tablets that took up all of your
> >useful load...
>
> ROTFLOL!! I'm ancient, but not THAT ancient! Should have said 1975.
>
I thought we should change your name to Icarus.


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

>> ROTFLOL!! I'm ancient, but not THAT ancient! Should have said 1975.
>>
>I thought we should change your name to Icarus.

I'd rather be Daedalus, if that's OK. I'm an old pilot, not a bold
pilot. You know what happened to Icarus for being bold, don't you?

vince norris